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Old 07-09-2011, 09:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sa'n Galing ang Diyos at Ano ang Ginagawa Bago n'ya binuo ang Universe?


Sa inyong pananaw, opinyon o imahinasyon, saan ba nanggaling ang Diyos at ano ang kanyang ginagawa bago n'ya binuo ang universe?

Tinanong ko 'yan kasi maliban sa isang seryosong palaisipan e nakakakiliti ring isipin ang mga posibleng sagot.

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Old 07-09-2011, 10:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Saan ako galing at ano ang ginawa ko bago ako magreply sa thread na ito?!

Kung hindi masasagot ng detalyado yan.. Ay paano pa masasagot ang tanong na yan ukol sa Diyos..
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Originally Posted by jonas View Post
Sa inyong pananaw, opinyon o imahinasyon, saan ba nanggaling ang Diyos at ano ang kanyang ginagawa bago n'ya binuo ang universe?

Tinanong ko 'yan kasi maliban sa isang seryosong palaisipan e nakakakiliti ring isipin ang mga posibleng sagot.

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According to Einstein's Theory, Time is a dimension. So we have the three dimensions X,Y and Z plus Space/Time.

All these dimensions began at the point or singularity of the Expansion Theory, or what is commonly known as the Big Bang.

Prior to the Big Bang, there was no Space or Time.

So we are looking at the issue of G-D from the wrong perspective. As we are beings trapped so-to-speak in Space/Time, we also tend to view G-D as being in the same dimensionality.

But when we begin to realize that there is such a point in Space where Time actually ceases to exists: inside of a Singularity, then we can conclude that there is also a dimenstion (or non-dimension) wherein Time does not exists.

So if in an existence Time does not exists, then there can be no beginning or end.

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Old 07-10-2011, 03:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by jonas View Post
Sa inyong pananaw, opinyon o imahinasyon, saan ba nanggaling ang Diyos at ano ang kanyang ginagawa bago n'ya binuo ang universe?

Tinanong ko 'yan kasi maliban sa isang seryosong palaisipan e nakakakiliti ring isipin ang mga posibleng sagot.

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Inutusan ng Diyos ang tao na huwag mag-isip ng lalong matayog kaysa nararapat nyang isipin, at isa na ang pag-iisip ng tao tungkol sa kung ano ang pinagmulan niya.. Gusto niya munang mas isipin ng tao ang sarili niyang kaligtsan at pagsunod sa mga iniuutos niya bago ang iba.. Dahil kung sakaling Makaligts ang tao sa paghuhukom ay malalaman din naman nya ang lahat ng katanugan nya dahil pinangako yun ng Diyos.

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Chicken and the egg problem. Discussed to death.

Which came first, chicken or egg??? --discuss to death??
I guess madali lang naman ang sagot jan, and it won't last to death to discuss this question..
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by jonas View Post
saan ba nanggaling ang Diyos


Nagmula sa "isipan" ng tao. "Inimbento" ng tao.
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Originally Posted by mikellogz View Post
Saan ako galing at ano ang ginawa ko bago ako magreply sa thread na ito?!

Kung hindi masasagot ng detalyado yan.. Ay paano pa masasagot ang tanong na yan ukol sa Diyos..
Sa'n ka nanggaling at ano ginawa mo ay madaling sagutin dahil ikaw mismo alam mo sagot.

'Yung tanong naman ng thread na 'to pwede ring sagutin ng naayon sa kung ano ang pagkakaintindi o alam natin.

'Yung mga maka-Diyos o bihasa sa relihiyon medyo lamang ng konti kung teorya ang pag-uusapan dahil mas marami silang alam.

---------- Post added at 01:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:42 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Kyon-ko View Post
Chicken and the egg problem. Discussed to death.
Hindi discuss to death 'to. Merong explanation gaya ng sa chicken and egg problem.
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Dun po sa mga naniniwalang "katha lamang ng isip ng tao" ang Diyos, papano po ma e-explain ang mga events ng Old and New testaments, mga pangyayaring historically proven?
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So if in an existence Time does not exists, then there can be no beginning or end.



Yup! and I agree with that.. There is no beginning and end, as it was said in the Bible... "...buhat pa ng walang pasimula"

And the promise of eternal life and eternal damnation.. there will be no end..

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Dun po sa mga naniniwalang "katha lamang ng isip ng tao" ang Diyos, papano po ma e-explain ang mga events ng Old and New testaments, mga pangyayaring historically proven?


Look at the picture below,




Totoo ang "New York City", ngunit masasabi mo bang totoo rin ang mga "Superheroes"?

The "location" maybe real, but it does not necessarily mean that all story about that location are true.

The "person" maybe real, but that does not necessarily mean that every story about that person are true.

So, "Jesus the Man" might be real, but that does not necessarily mean that "Jesus the God" is real.


At anu-ano ba itong sinasabi mong "mga pangyayaring historically proven"? Can you be more "specific"?


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Magbibigay kayo ng fictional characters tapos ikukumpara nyo kay Lord? How unfair nyo naman!

Magbibigay kayo yun mga tunay na rin ano.
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Look at the picture below,




Totoo ang "New York City", ngunit masasabi mo bang totoo rin ang mga "Superheroes"?

The "location" maybe real, but it does not necessarily mean that all story about that location are true.

The "person" maybe real, but that does not necessarily mean that every story about that person are true.

So, "Jesus the Man" might be real, but that does not necessarily mean that "Jesus the God" is real.


At anu-ano ba itong sinasabi mong "mga pangyayaring historically proven"? Can you be more "specific"?


This is a typical "STRAWMAN TACTIC" employed by almost ALL ATHEISTS. They are so PREDICTABLE.

Try to disprove the validity of an issue by "disproving" another issue, and then SUPERIMPOSING that on the first issue.

Issue X.

People believe issue Y.

Issue Y is not true.

Therefore X is not true.

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but b, I've proven that superheroes are true! So now mr. A must prove the Lord to be true!
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