Confessing your sins to a priest

[samuraiX]

When was the last time you confessed your sins to a priest?
other ppl believe that you dont need to confess your sins to a priest but you confess directly to jesus/god
do we still need a priest to confess our sins or can we just directly talk to our god?

[Chiffon]

^exactly my sentiments nung elementary and HS ako kasi we are forced to confess to this priest that comes to school once a month para daw "ready" kami to receive communion come 1st friday mass.

Something na hindi ko talaga maintindihan at wala pa ako sa tamang maturity para i question ang RLE teachers namin noon.

Why DO I have to confess to some person? sabi nga nila e alam ng Diyos ang bawat galaw natin. I do understand na baka form of release ito. Para hindi kinikimkim ng isang tao ang problema niya sa sarili...and then comes the penance of praying multiple Hail Mary's and Our Father's which I don't think helps at all. How the heck does reciting per-programmed phrases help absolve a person with his sins? More over, how does that help with praying? I mean, they say praying is a act of talking to God, but how does one talk to God when he/she keeps mumbling looping phrases?!

And coming to this din, isn't the communion for everyone? Why is then a person who does not confess labelled as "not being ready to receive the body of Christ" come church day? I mean, heck I've been receiving communion way before I had my "first communion" ceremonies dahil sabi ng tatay ko, ang communion eh para sa lahat no matter what the race or religion, which I still believe today. The nuns who taught RLE in our school said that's because we need to be free of sin when we receive communion. Ok so suppose confession DOES absolve one of his sins, but we commit "sin" right after finishing the confession. Does that mean I need to confess again or keep confessing until church day comes? I wish I could go back to elementary and give these teachers something to think about besides teaching "blind faith" to kids.

(oh I'm a catholic btw, but I see myself as a...radicall one.)

[bishop]

For those who are interested in the Scriptural Point-of-View on this matter:

Confessing to a priest is not and has never been in Scriptures. It was never a commandment of any kind. This is an invention of the Roman Catholic leaders.

I'm sure they will give you text from Scriptures to support this theology. But ALL of them are isolated text that are taken completely out of context.

Feel free to question me on this one.

[papADyak]

@bishop... of the verses in the bible that the catholic church used to support the sacrament of confession was this

John 20: 19 - 23
19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you."
20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
21 Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you."
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."

can you therefore enlighten me on this verses especially that of verse 23

[bishop]

@bishop... of the verses in the bible that the catholic church used to support the sacrament of confession was this



can you therefore enlighten me on this verses especially that of verse 23

koya bentz,

First of all, the apostles where not "priests". They were never called to be one.

2. They were tasked to preach the Good News of Salvation. No where does it say that they were to ask people to confess to them.

Parang ganito: kung may sumampal sa inyo kasi nag pi preach kayo sa tabi ng kalye, pag sa puso nyo pinatawad nyo na yung taong sumampal sa inyo, na patawad na din ng Panginoon yun ginawa nya sa inyo.

Ang katuwiran dito ay dahil ginagawa nyo yung gawain ng Diyos. So kung may nag sala sa inyo, para na din sila nag sala sa Diyos.

Simpleng interpretasyon lamang, ginawang komplikado ng simbahan katoliko.

[samuraiX]

For those who are interested in the Scriptural Point-of-View on this matter:

Confessing to a priest is not and has never been in Scriptures. It was never a commandment of any kind. This is an invention of the Roman Catholic leaders.

I'm sure they will give you text from Scriptures to support this theology. But ALL of them are isolated text that are taken completely out of context.

Feel free to question me on this one.

do you think its possible that RC came up with the confession sacrament just to gather dark, juicy info on ppl?

ive read somewhere on the net that what ppl confess to the priest was used as blackmail, leverage... especially on powerful ppl during the olden times, those who hold the info holds that person at the palm of his hand

[papADyak]

pero @bishop
nde din naman sinabi dyan na only those who have offended you directly ang papatawarin mo at hihingi ng tawad sayo?
ang interpretation kasi na sinasabi ng simbahan was that its an authority given to them by God (Jesus) and that authority was pass on doon sa mga sumunod sa kanila which is now we call the priest.
enlighten me more

[bishop]

pero @bishop
nde din naman sinabi dyan na only those who have offended you directly ang papatawarin mo at hihingi ng tawad sayo?
ang interpretation kasi na sinasabi ng simbahan was that its an authority given to them by God (Jesus) and that authority was pass on doon sa mga sumunod sa kanila which is now we call the priest.
enlighten me more

koya bentz,

Nasa kontexto po iyan. Kelangan po natin intindihin ang mga salitang ito basehan sa panahon na itoy ginamit, at hindi sa panahon ngayon.

Una po, sa panahon n'yon, lahat ng sugo ng Panginoon Kristo ay puro Hudyo. At sa kultura't relihyon nila wala pong turo na mag kumpisal sa isat isa.

Ang turo sa kanila na galing sa utos ni Moises ay kung nasaktan ka, kamatayan ang katapat na parusa. (Exodus)

Paano masabi ng simbahan katoliko na ito ang utos ni Hesu Kristo sa kanila, eh, nag umpisa ang simbahan katoliko 300 years pagkatapos ng buhay ni Hesus.

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do you think its possible that RC came up with the confession sacrament just to gather dark, juicy info on ppl?

ive read somewhere on the net that what ppl confess to the priest was used as blackmail, leverage... especially on powerful ppl during the olden times, those who hold the info holds that person at the palm of his hand

Yes, I agree with this assesment.

However...this will forever remain a theory. As this allegation can never be proven.

Mainly, because all (sensitive) records of the Roman Catholic church is hidden in archives.

One thing is for sure. That this commandment can NEVER be found in Scriptures.

This was an edict by Church leaders in the early part of the church history.

[papADyak]

pero nde nga ba kaya nagalit ang ilan sa kanya? dahil may mga pinatupad syang sa akala nila ay taliwas sa kautusan? kaya ang pangungumpisal hindi man nya directly sinabi ay eto ang pinatutugunan ng verses sa John 20:23?

hindi ba nag simula ang simbahang katoliko sa panahon din ni Kristo in accordance to this Matthew 16:18-19? and dyan din nakalagay ang authority na binigay kay Peter na unang Papa ng simbahan?

enlighten me more

[Urugu]

pero nde nga ba kaya nagalit ang ilan sa kanya? dahil may mga pinatupad syang sa akala nila ay taliwas sa kautusan? kaya ang pangungumpisal hindi man nya directly sinabi ay eto ang pinatutugunan ng verses sa John 20:23?

hindi ba nag simula ang simbahang katoliko sa panahon din ni Kristo in accordance to this Matthew 16:18-19? and dyan din nakalagay ang authority na binigay kay Peter na unang Papa ng simbahan?

enlighten me more

Makikisabat na ako..


I think the RCC overstretched the verse in John...confession with the priest cannot be found in scripture. As Bishop said, it's all in the context. There were no indications in scriptures that the apostles held a "one on one" conversation with their followers just for them to tell their sins to the apostles. there's no indication that they order members to pray a number of our father or hail mary for a particular set of sin.

proving or disproving that the RCC is the church that is in Matthew 16:18-19 is a whole different matter. may I suggest that you make a thread for that..

[bishop]

pero nde nga ba kaya nagalit ang ilan sa kanya? dahil may mga pinatupad syang sa akala nila ay taliwas sa kautusan? kaya ang pangungumpisal hindi man nya directly sinabi ay eto ang pinatutugunan ng verses sa John 20:23?

koya bentz,

Tandaan po natin ang sinabi ni Hesu Kristo:

"Huwag ninyong isiping naparito ako upang sirain ang Kautusan o ang mga Propeta. Naparito ako hindi upang sirain kundi upang tuparin ang mga ito"
Mateo 5:17

Ang sinasabi po ni Kristo ay hini sya gagawa ng bagong batas o katuruan na iba o labag sa orihinal na batas na binigay ng Diyos kay Moises.

So hindi po maari na magiging kautusan yun John 20:23. Kasi nga wala naman ganoon na utos sa batas ni Moises.

hindi ba nag simula ang simbahang katoliko sa panahon din ni Kristo in accordance to this Matthew 16:18-19? and dyan din nakalagay ang authority na binigay kay Peter na unang Papa ng simbahan?

Koya bentz,

Ang Mateo 16:18-19 ay isa po sa bersikulo na ginagamit inaankin ng simbahan katoliko para sa kanila. Na ito nga daw ang kaumpisahan ng simbahan ni Kristo.

Pero mali po ang pagkaka intindi nila dito. Dahil po sa maling interpretasyon nila.

Si Kristo po, nung kausap nya si Pedro ay gumagamit ng tawag natin sa Ingles "Greek Slang" or "Greek-play-with-words". (kagay sa ginagawa natin kadalasan sa SB, kung saan ginagamit natin ang isang salita na may dalawang kaugnayan or "two meanings".)

Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
Matt. 16:16-20

Ganito po iyon sa Greek:

"I tell you that you are Peter (Greek: Petros [little pebble]), and on this Rock (Greek: Petra [big rock]- referring to Himself, Jesus) I will build my church (Greek: Eklisia (followers/believers) ) and the gates of Hades will not overcome it ("It" refers to "Petra" or Himself)

So Jesus was saying that the gates of Hades will not have any power over Him.

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven"

Eto naman, makikita natin ang kaibahan ng Greek language syntax sa English syntax.

Sa Greko po, may tawag na "present progressive" na hindi ma i-translate sa Ingles. (kung i translate man ito, mali ang grammar na lumalabas)

Example of Greek "present progressive tense" : Let us say that Peter built a bridge, and he will do this until he finishes it.

In Greek if it is written in "present progressive" it will go something like "Peter is and will be continuing to build the bridge"

So in Matt. 19, in English it actually goes something like this:

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth (is already) bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth (is already) loosed in heaven.”

This is refering the authority given to them as Apostles in spreading the gospel.

[holydevil]

When was the last time you confessed your sins to a priest?
other ppl believe that you dont need to confess your sins to a priest but you confess directly to jesus/god
do we still need a priest to confess our sins or can we just directly talk to our god?

kailan nga ba yung last confession ko?

well,as a born catholic,I/we were told to confess to a priest atleast once a year brfore recieving the holy communion..that is the protocol of a catholic.but,nowadays,people(catholics) are more liberated,kahit nga magsimba hindi na din nasusunod yung once a week.its like "do it yourself" belief na ang uso.

[Aga Mulat]

If anyone claims to be Catholic then you should obey the church's laws and one of them is to confess to a priest.

If anyone does not like this one major law then don't be a Catholic.

[holydevil]

If anyone claims to be Catholic then you should obey the church's laws and one of them is to confess to a priest.

If anyone does not like this one major law then don't be a Catholic.

yup,that is what it is supposed to be.but,sa paglipas ng panahon maraming mga rules and regulation,laws,traditons etc. ang nababago or nagiging obsolete.kaya wether tama o mali,nagiging uso.now,its up to those faithfuls to practice what they feel what is right.

[bishop]

I just wish there was a Roman Catholic Theologian here in this forum whom I can discuss this with.

Or at least a Cathecist.