Computer Games why not a sport?

[pooch]

not make it a sport? Why? What do you think guys?

It involves our hands, fingers and even our brain so why is computer games doesn't considered as a sport?

Feel free to post your ideas guys I would love to hear it from you.

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[bishop]

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Atin pong pag-usapan.

First of all there is the platform.

There are various platforms for computer games. PC, XBox, Playstation..etc.

And these platforms, like most electronics have a very fast turn around time. Meaning that there are "new" versions every few months.

For a Sport to be plaid 'fair', the platform has to be the same. One person cannot play XBox against another playing Playstation.

This would be like having two different surface on a tennis court. One side has grass and the other side has clay.

Also, if one person has mastered his skill with the XBox, two years later, there the the XBox 360. Which he will again have to get used to.

Second, there is the fast evolution of the game themselves.

Let us say that we have agreed on a specific platform on which to play this "sport".

The Game itself evolves in matter of months.

If a person has mastered the XBox 360 playing Modern Warfare for example. Six monthes later out comes Modern Warfare 2. With completly different scenarios and missions.

Third and most importantly: the ones who master these games are the Geeks.

And every one knows that Geeks do not engage in Sports. Geeks and Sports are like Oil and Water. They just do not mix.

[oversoul1404]

as far as i know, computer gaming is already considered a 'sport', at least by the people competing with it. in fact, there are so-called pro-gamers, who take computer gaming as a profession, and that they require a license before they can compete in different tournaments. if i am not mistaken, that's in korea, where pro gamers are treated as celebrities. major sponsors frequently hold large tournaments like Major Leauge Gaming, or the world cyber olympics to determine the best gamer there is, on a specific game, on a specific platform. so far, i think starcraft 2 and halo has the largest reputation when it comes to computer gaming tournaments.

[pooch]

Eto po ba ang argument?

1) Sports should have fairness
2) Computer games does not have fairness
3) Therefore computer games are not sport.?



Pooch

[oversoul1404]

Eto po ba ang argument?

1) Sports should have fairness
2) Computer games does not have fairness
3) Therefore computer games are not sport.?



Pooch

sir pooch:

as for the fairness: yes, let's take the game starcraft 2 for example. The game is played by selecting one of the 3 clans, and the goal is eliminating the enemy. Each clan has its own special unit, with their own specialty. So far, some are saying that the 'un-fairness' in the game is due to the imbalance in these three races. And yes, there are indeed minimal imbalances in the game, that's why the developers are constantly patching the game to fix such imbalances. eventually, it would become balanced, and thus 'fair', just like what happened to its predecessor, Starcraft: Broodwar.

with the results of every major tournament being conducted, that there is no definite pattern among the winners, other than being inconsistent. that is, no clan has been completely dominating the tournaments, nor a single player.

Lastly, with the game's un-fairness (that's the imbalance stemming from the races) being readily available for every gamer, wouldn't that be eventually be fair for everyone? and with it comes the qualification of egaming as a sport?

[pooch]

sir pooch:

as for the fairness: yes, let's take the game starcraft 2 for example. The game is played by selecting one of the 3 clans, and the goal is eliminating the enemy. Each clan has its own special unit, with their own specialty. So far, some are saying that the 'un-fairness' in the game is due to the imbalance in these three races. And yes, there are indeed minimal imbalances in the game, that's why the developers are constantly patching the game to fix such imbalances. eventually, it would become balanced, and thus 'fair', just like what happened to its predecessor, Starcraft: Broodwar.

with the results of every major tournament being conducted, that there is no definite pattern among the winners, other than being inconsistent. that is, no clan has been completely dominating the tournaments, nor a single player.

Lastly, with the game's un-fairness (that's the imbalance stemming from the races) being readily available for every gamer, wouldn't that be eventually be fair for everyone? and with it comes the qualification of egaming as a sport?

I see what you mean. But that's not the "fairness" we are talking about here (or at least what Bishop mentioned). He is talking about the fairness with regards to the platform, or the playground by which the sport is conducted. He said,

For a Sport to be plaid 'fair', the platform has to be the same. One person cannot play XBox against another playing Playstation.



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So you see, when you said that the three races in Starcraft 2 is "unfair",you are actually talking about a different "fairness". This fairness is within the game itself... You are like saying "Manny Pacquiao versus Pooch" (different weight class). Now that's totally unfair! :
But bishop is saying "Manny Pacquiao versus Matt Hughes" (different disciplines).


Kuha po ba ninyo?


Pooch

[oversoul1404]

sir pooch:

i see. so for sir bishop's number 1: just like what they are conducting in the cyber games, they have their own respective categories for each console, and that there are different games for every console. So category-wise, it would be just like a swimming event, where there are different lengths (50, 100, 200) and each length has a different style (breast stroke, backstroke, medley), or just like track and field categories. This way, the playing field would be leveled and would thus be fair for the participants, then would be considered a sport, based on your post.

for number 3, i think that would be begging the question perhaps?

as for number 2, that may be the problem. even though some computer games are still popular and included on world tournaments decades after their release, there would come a time that they would eventually be obsolete. If we are to consider this as a requisite, then definitely computer gaming would not be considered as a sport.. that is unless we consider the procedure used by gaming organizers where categories included in the events are voted by the followers. . but that part would be tricky.

[bishop]

So you see, when you said that the three races in Starcraft 2 is "unfair",you are actually talking about a different "fairness". This fairness is within the game itself... You are like saying "Manny Pacquiao versus Pooch" (different weight class). Now that's totally unfair! :
But bishop is saying "Manny Pacquiao versus Matt Hughes" (different disciplines).

Kuha po ba ninyo?

Pooch

Pooch,

I am not saying "Paquiao versus Hughes".

As player One and Player two have practiced playing Modern Warfare I. Only Player One played Playstation all his life. While Player two played XBox all his life.

The present reality is that those two platforms (Playstation and XBox) cannot be played in sync.

If you make this an individual platform. Wherein Player One competes using Playstation and Player Two competes using XBox. Do you still think there would be fairness in the rules?

Now let us fast forward 8 years.

After Player One and Player Two has practiced 8 years to participate in the Video Game Olympics using Playstation One and XBox Original.

When Player One and Player Two arrive at the Olympic venue in Katmandu, they find out that the organizers have used the newer Playstation 5 and XBox 600 for the competitors. Where the controlers are now plugged into your nose, and you use use controllers with your Toes.

Would that still be considered fair sport?

[Rieven]

^tama si bishop, sa disparity pa lang ng controls ang hirap na. medyo pede pa magmatch ang PS3 at X360 players eh. but they wont stand a chance against PC players, mas maganda talaga input sa PC dahil mouse.

ngayon ako veteran ako sa PS3 (BF3), at hirap din ako sa same na laro sa PC dahil mas kabig ko ang controller ng PS3.

Tama din si oversoul, ang mga nag-organize din ng mga tournaments eh they try to make the games fair, it will all boil down to player's skill

para sa quesion 3 that "Therefore computer games are not sport.?"

siguro kulang na lang sa exposure ang madlang people, syempre mas exciting panoorin ang isang athlete na may ginagawa talaga kesa sa isang tao na nagpipindot sa harap ng screen

for example eto, i'm sure di binigyan ng media coverage to.
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[KillaCrab]

@bishop
i will be nitpicking on this one

And every one knows that Geeks do not engage in Sports. Geeks and Sports are like Oil and Water. They just do not mix.

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but before i do so kindly define what a geek is

[bishop]

@bishop
i will be nitpicking on this one



but before i do so kindly define what a geek is

This was an attempt on anecdote on my part.

But I do enjoy a good conversation. (to paraphrase Matsumoto san)

So here it is:

The term "Geek" is more of a cultural bias, in the US schools, to differentiate them from the more popular Athletic types.

In the US school culture, there is some sort of a "popularity contest" that goes on every day. Things like, "who has the best dress; who is the most daring among females; who is the most attractive..etc." And for the females, this is preliminary to the ultimate culmination as to who becomes Prom Queen at the end of the High School year.

And among the boys in the School, the most popular gets to go out (and bang) the Prom Queen. Most often, these are the Athletic types: The football star Quarterback, the Basketball center...etc.

And on the bottom rung of this school heirarchy are the "Geeks". Those who do not make the Football team, or the Basketball varsity.

More often than not, these "Geeks" are more academically inclined (but this is too much of a stereotype)

Some do not excel in Academics. And they also do not qualify to join the Athletic cliques. (too short, too fat..etc)

These are the "Geeks".

It is in this context that I used when I said, "Geeks and Sport do not mix".

[oversoul1404]

^tama si bishop, sa disparity pa lang ng controls ang hirap na. medyo pede pa magmatch ang PS3 at X360 players eh. but they wont stand a chance against PC players, mas maganda talaga input sa PC dahil mouse.

ngayon ako veteran ako sa PS3 (BF3), at hirap din ako sa same na laro sa PC dahil mas kabig ko ang controller ng PS3.

Tama din si oversoul, ang mga nag-organize din ng mga tournaments eh they try to make the games fair, it will all boil down to player's skill

para sa quesion 3 that "Therefore computer games are not sport.?"

siguro kulang na lang sa exposure ang madlang people, syempre mas exciting panoorin ang isang athlete na may ginagawa talaga kesa sa isang tao na nagpipindot sa harap ng screen

for example eto, i'm sure di binigyan ng media coverage to.
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rieve, regarding the disparity between the consoles, just like what they are conducting in the cyber games, they have their own respective categories for each console, and that there are different games for every console. So category-wise, it would be just like a swimming event, where there are different lengths (50, 100, 200) and each length has a different style (breast stroke, backstroke, medley), or just like track and field categories

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[Rieven]

rieve, regarding the disparity between the consoles, just like what they are conducting in the cyber games, they have their own respective categories for each console, and that there are different games for every console. So category-wise, it would be just like a swimming event, where there are different lengths (50, 100, 200) and each length has a different style (breast stroke, backstroke, medley), or just like track and field categories

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^ i think that is the problem, masyadong maraming categories, di mabridge ang gap to a wider audience. kahit nga ang gamer may kanya kanya na ding stereotypes eh hehe.