Give them hell!!!

[Peripheral300]

Someone suggested that I should this topic on another thread.

Okay, here's the thing: A few nights ago, in a heated (drunken) discussion with a friend about the subject of heaven and hell, he asked me how can the devil torture (punish) a Sado-Masochist (this friend of mine was an atheist).

I cannot think of an answer.

The thing about sado-masochists is that they: (a) like to hurt other people; and (b) likes to be hurt by other people.

Assuming Indifference does nothing to the Sado-Masochists and you are the devil, how can you punish them?

[oversoul1404]

put him in solitary confinement, on an infinite timeline. that way, they wont be able to hurt anyone, and no one can hurt him. eventually boredom will get the better of him.

edit: plus the endless loop of his most hated song.

[bishop]

Someone suggested that I should this topic on another thread.

Okay, here's the thing: A few nights ago, in a heated (drunken) discussion with a friend about the subject of heaven and hell, he asked me how can the devil torture (punish) a Sado-Masochist (this friend of mine was an atheist).

I cannot think of an answer.

The thing about sado-masochists is that they: (a) like to hurt other people; and (b) likes to be hurt by other people.

Assuming Indifference does nothing to the Sado-Masochists and you are the devil, how can you punish them?

There is a serious flaw in both your premises.

You are assuming that in the Judeo-Christian concept of "Hell" it is the devil who "tortures" the souls of the lost.

My friend, this is not what is taught in the Jude-Christian Scriptures.

Flaw #2

Your atheist friend is assuming that Sado-Masochist have unlimited threshold for pain.

Like all creatures, there is only so much pain a person can take.

Even those practitioners of Sado-Masochism have their "safe-word" for when too much pain is given, they say the "safe-word" for the other to stop.

This is a physical reality. Wherein the human body can only take a certain amount of trauma. And while some people have more threshold than others, the physical response is the same. The human body when subjected to exessive truama, the body responds by shutting down.

Example:

As Sado-Masochist subjects himself to a jolt of 12 volt electrity on his penis for 2 seconds. This gives him the "satisfaction" that he craves.

Now picture the same Sado-Masochist subjecting his penis to 10,000 volts of electricity coming from a Meralco transformer for TWO MINUTES.

You get the picture?

Now the Judeo-Christan teaching of "Hell" is that it is for Eternity. In Scientific terms, that means it is INFINITE TIME. Or better yet, ZERO-TIME.

Now apply INFINITE TIME and multiply that by 1000,000 volts of Electricity.

I invite any Sado-Masochist here to tell me that this would be "fun".

[pooch]

There is a serious flaw in both your premises.

You are assuming that in the Judeo-Christian concept of "Hell" it is the devil who "tortures" the souls of the lost.

My friend, this is not what is taught in the Jude-Christian Scriptures.

True. Pero pagbigyan mo na! Kaw naman..hehe..
Now let's see "Flaw #2" and examine this in the light of the assumption that in the Judeo-Christian concept of Hell, the devil tortures the souls of the lost. (alam mo kasi Kuya Bishop, I like to assume that the person I am talking to is correct eh, he he he)

Flaw #2
Your atheist friend is assuming that Sado-Masochist have unlimited threshold for pain.
Like all creatures, there is only so much pain a person can take.
Even those practitioners of Sado-Masochism have their "safe-word" for when too much pain is given, they say the "safe-word" for the other to stop.
This is a physical reality. Wherein the human body can only take a certain amount of trauma. And while some people have more threshold than others, the physical response is the same. The human body when subjected to exessive truama, the body responds by shutting down.

Example:
As Sado-Masochist subjects himself to a jolt of 12 volt electrity on his penis for 2seconds. This gives him the "satisfaction" that he craves.
Now picture the same Sado-Masochist subjecting his penis to 10,000 volts of electricity coming from a Meralco transformer for TWO MINUTES.
You get the picture?
Now the Judeo-Christan teaching of "Hell" is that it is for Eternity. In Scientific terms, that means it is INFINITE TIME. Or better yet, ZERO-TIME.
Now apply INFINITE TIME and multiply that by 1000,000 volts of Electricity.

I invite any Sado-Masochist here to tell me that this would be "fun".

I think I would agree with this.
There is a "diminishing returns" for any kind of fun. haha....
Unang coke ko nung uhaw na uhaw ako, ang sarap eh.. Kala ko eh kaya kong uminom forever. Ikalawang coke, ganun pa rin pero mas konti. Then third. Then fourth. Then fifth. Then sixth..... Pangpito, masuka-suka ka na.


Pooch

[Peripheral300]

@Bishop
From the other thread:

You made a serious flaw in your assumption here.

You assume that the people who practise S&M actually believe in the Judeo-Christian teaching of "Heaven and Hell".

As I have said, I agree to some extent, Sadists and Masochists believe in the dark nature of man and not of the Judeo-Christian concept of a "state of eternal punishment/bliss". We (my friend and I) were going out on a leg here and presumed that SM's beliefs that "what you see is what you get" are false and that the afterlife is composed of (as what the fundamentalists in America believed of as) Heaven and Hell

You are assuming that in the Judeo-Christian concept of "Hell" it is the devil who "tortures" the souls of the lost.

My friend, this is not what is taught in the Jude-Christian Scriptures.

Well, we're not talking about Judeo-Christian concept of the afterlife but what can be a generalized (in other words, stereotype) concept of Heaven: "A State of Eternal Bliss"; and Hell: "A State of Eternal Torture". (Seriously, we're drunk and would not bother in clarifying what kind of "hell" exists in our "game").

Even those practitioners of Sado-Masochism have their "safe-word" for when too much pain is given, they say the "safe-word" for the other to stop.

As I've said, there is a difference between industrial pornographic interpretation of Sado-Masochists and the truly devilish school of thought of Sado-Masochism. For the latter, their belief system is that the nature of man is Evil and that it is only through the execution of vices would man thrive. The paragons of vice depicted in major works of Sadism depicts that the death of their "lovers" is the highest pleasure they can receive from the other; while Masochism depicts that the death of the Self is the highest pleasure one can receive. In this kind of Sado-Masochistic relationship, safe words are unnecessary.

This is a physical reality. Wherein the human body can only take a certain amount of trauma. And while some people have more threshold than others, the physical response is the same. The human body when subjected to exessive truama, the body responds by shutting down.

That's the Point! It is a physical reality! The body can't take that kind of excess because of its own physical constraints! But maybe the soul can; and if we were to apply beliefs of Sado-Masochists, wouldn't they - instead of experiencing eternal pain/punishment - experience eternal bliss?

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@Ovesoul

your comment reminded me of an old sado-masochist's joke.

Masochist:Hit Me! Hit Me!
Sadist: ...No.

wala lang corny lang. Pero natawa naman ako nung nabasa ko ito.... /(>___< )\

[bishop]

@Bishop

Well, we're not talking about Judeo-Christian concept of the afterlife but what can be a generalized (in other words, stereotype) concept of Heaven: "A State of Eternal Bliss"; and Hell: "A State of Eternal Torture". (Seriously, we're drunk and would not bother in clarifying what kind of "hell" exists in our "game").

Then the discussion would of a Philosophical nature.

Without a point-of-reference to a particular definition, then any discussion that is on a Philosophical level, with influences coming from Saint Michael (San Miguel) added to it, would render the discussion futile.

If the discussion is centered on a particular subject, then that subject should have an objective reference.

So if "hell" is being discussed, one cannot discuss this on a level of Philosophical Generalities.

The question "which 'hell' are we talking about" should be answered first.

As I've said, there is a difference between industrial pornographic interpretation of Sado-Masochists and the truly devilish school of thought of Sado-Masochism. For the latter, their belief system is that the nature of man is Evil and that it is only through the execution of vices would man thrive. The paragons of vice depicted in major works of Sadism depicts that the death of their "lovers" is the highest pleasure they can receive from the other; while Masochism depicts that the death of the Self is the highest pleasure one can receive. In this kind of Sado-Masochistic relationship, safe words are unnecessary.

Then we are dealing with Mental Illness now, not the general understading of modern-day practitioners of Sado-Masochism as a sexual sub-culture.

Which would be a different subject alltogether.

(see my comments on the other thread, regarding this)

That's the Point! It is a physical reality! The body can't take that kind of excess because of its own physical constraints! But maybe the soul can; and if we were to apply beliefs of Sado-Masochists, wouldn't they - instead of experiencing eternal pain/punishment - experience eternal bliss

Again, when making such as assumption, were do you base your assumption from?

We should have a point-of-reference.

[Peripheral300]

...with influences coming from Saint Michael (San Miguel) added to it, would render the discussion futile.

Well now, you're presuming that we were drinking Saint Miguel... we're actually drinking Tequila...
And I agree, Coffee and Philosophy is as better alternative than Beer and Philosophy

Again, when making such as assumption, were do you base your assumption from?

We should have a point-of-reference.

Let's say... Platonic - the body as a material vessel for the soul and the soul as the immaterial (ergo non-physical reality).

[bishop]

Let's say... Platonic - the body as a material vessel for the soul and the soul as the immaterial (ergo non-physical reality).

Very well.

Would you them agree to use the Judeo-Christian Bible as a point-of-reference in our discussion of hell and human soul/spirit?

[Peripheral300]

Very well.

Would you them agree to use the Judeo-Christian Bible as a point-of-reference in our discussion of hell and human soul/spirit?

Yeah, sure.

[bishop]

Yeah, sure.

Very well then.

The case is very simple.

All the assumptions you discussed with your friends, are wrong.

The Judeo-Christian Scriptures teaches that Hell is a place of ultimate suffering.

And it makes to mention or even gives way to assumption that there are those in Hell that "enjoy" it there because they are masochist.