Innocence of Muslims movie

[voltaire]

yes, this movie is the mother of all lame excuses. Nobody is seeing this God-forsaken joke of a movie prior to the riots and this just bares the muslim extremists bigoted agenda. This boils down on how a particular person view his own religion. As a student of Islamic Art before, graphic or iconic depictions of Allah or the Muhammad are strictly prohibited in Islam much more depicting them in such an insulting manner as the movie did. In contrast, Jesus Christ is being insulted in all manners and forms on a daily basis, and none of the Christian puritans are hollering, Well, they already have their hands full fighting amongst each other aside from busying themselves with other worldly affairs.

[bishop]

In contrast, Jesus Christ is being insulted in all manners and forms on a daily basis, and none of the Christian puritans are hollering,

Well, they already have their hands full fighting amongst each other aside from busying themselves with other worldly affairs.

Volt,

I just have to address this as a side note.

Jesus Christ is being insulted and blasphemed in all manner by many people everyday, this is true.

And the believers are indeed "hollering", as you put it. Only not in the same way as the Muslims.

They do so in the pulpit of the Church, just as we are commanded to do so. And some even taking it to the streets in the form of Evangelism. Again, just as we are taught to do so. Christians were NEVER taught to bring about "belief" by the edge of the sword.

As to the "in fighting" you mentioned, this is also true. But mainly this is on minor doctrinal issues. And they are not "fighting" in the sense that there is bloodshed. Only disagreements on issues such as what kind of music is deemed acceptable inside the church. Or issues such as whether man is a dichotomy, 'spirit-soul and body' or a trichotomy, 'spirit, soul and body'.

The same "in-fighting" is also true within Islam. You have the Sunnis, considered the "orthodox" sect of Islam and the Shia, the "conservative" sect of Islam. And within the Sunni sect, you have a sub-sect called the Wahhabis, or Orthodox Islam on steroids.

And the only time they are not killing each other, is when they are too busy trying to kill the "great satan" of the world.

[voltaire]

yep, that was exactly what I meant, kinda, except for the in-fighting thing because violence was a major part of the struggle between between catholics and protestants as recent as the sectarian rioting in Northern Ireland, but well, that was before until secularism tamed most them. But thanks for the elaboration, bish,

So by the way, can you please enlighten me on the origins of shedding and using a Christian child's blood to make Matzos as alleged by certain Muslims.

[west]

its crap.
its crude.
and not even funny.

[bishop]

So by the way, can you please enlighten me on the origins of shedding and using a Christian child's blood to make Matzos as alleged by certain Muslims.

Volt,

I haven't heard about this in a long while.

This is one of those old school urban legends that was actually started by the Crusaders to use as an excuse to #1. convert the Jews. And if they do not convert, then go to plan 'B', which is #2. Kill them all.

I am guessing the Muslims sort of just picked up this story. As you know Jerusalem, has always been in contention between the Roman Catholic, the Muslims and the Jews. And at one point in time, the Templars (the Pope's henchmen) were once in control of Jerusalem. And the Muslims used the trading route to Jerusalem.

[KillaCrab]

yes, this movie is the mother of all lame excuses. Nobody is seeing this God-forsaken joke of a movie prior to the riots and this just bares the muslim extremists bigoted agenda. This boils down on how a particular person view his own religion. As a student of Islamic Art before, graphic or iconic depictions of Allah or the Muhammad are strictly prohibited in Islam much more depicting them in such an insulting manner as the movie did. In contrast, Jesus Christ is being insulted in all manners and forms on a daily basis, and none of the Christian puritans are hollering, Well, they already have their hands full fighting amongst each other aside from busying themselves with other worldly affairs.

bishop you of all people should know that you should take this into historical context.. just a some of decades (you can several scores or a century even) ago if you did that insulting of the "christ" image in the philippines you would have gotten a lynching from an angry catholic mob.

you americans react very violently and even threaten this and that when it comes to burning the american flag

[bishop]

you americans react very violently and even threaten this and that when it comes to burning the american flag

au contraire mon frere killa,

Americans in general and as a people have grown apathetic. They basically have this attitude of "if it does not affect me..then I don't care".

The images and videos of foreigners burning the American Flag is on the news 24/7 in the US. But you hardly even hear a 'ho-hum' from the general public.

You are more likely to get an angry reaction from the public when they see someone displaying the Confederate flag, that you will if they see an American flag being burned.

bishop you of all people should know that you should take this into historical context.. just a some of decades (you can several scores or a century even) ago if you did that insulting of the "christ" image in the philippines you would have gotten a lynching from an angry catholic mob.

Of this, I am sure, my friend.

Just look at recent news in the Philippines. Angry mobs protested Lady G@g@. They came short of declaring her the daughter of the devil himself.

But when a little boy gets molested by a Catholic priests?? Well, not a single "peep" from these "morality police".

[nightcomer]

Sa palagay ko, one of the reason for the misconception about Islam is the media, ang media ang nag po portray sa mga black sheep muslim as if na ganun ka exemplary ang mga muslim, well mali po ito. There are black sheep in every community including muslims.

Ang masama rito itong mga may konting nabasa o narinig tungkol sa Islam ay akala mo kung sino magaling o maraming alam kung mag salita tungkol sa Islam ang iba ay mag tuturo pa kung ano ang Islam ayun sa kanilang gusto sabihin ngunit itong mga ito ay hindi naman Muslim. Napaka ipokrito.

Alam ko na responsibilidad naming mga Muslim ang mag spread the true teaching of Islam at e correct itong mga media na ito para ang kanilang e portray ay ang true message of the Qur'aan and Teachings of the Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon HIm).

Maraming salamat po.

[KillaCrab]

@bishop

kindly tell that to fox news

ever heard of the "forced conversions" by implemented by the christians? all religions at one time or another is plague by this "i am going to kill you if you do not agree with me" disease...

don't single out the muslims on this one.. it just comes in cycles.. or have you forgotten the pogroms against the jews? the inquisitions? the cathari? kanya kanyang violent puritanism period lang mga religions..

[bishop]

@bishop
ever heard of the "forced conversions" by implemented by the christians? all religions at one time or another is plague by this "i am going to kill you if you do not agree with me" disease...

don't single out the muslims on this one.. it just comes in cycles.. or have you forgotten the pogroms against the jews? the inquisitions? the cathari? kanya kanyang violent puritanism period lang mga religions..

pareng killa,

It is interesting that you are echoing the argument that most muslims use against the "christians" (I am using the word christian in quotation because of the reason I will give later). Which are the autrocities commited during the crusades. This was in the 9th to the 11th Century. This is comparing apples to oranges.

To put this in perspective, we must compare todays Muslim believers with todays Christian believers to be fair.

I will compare the Roman Catholic church in Vatican, Rome (whose doctrines I do not even agree with) with Islamic nations such as Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia.
What do muslims do to Christians in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. And in comparison what do Catholic Christians do to muslims in Rome.

See where I'm getting at?

[Aga Mulat]

Sa palagay ko, one of the reason for the misconception about Islam is the media, ang media ang nag po portray sa mga black sheep muslim as if na ganun ka exemplary ang mga muslim, well mali po ito. There are black sheep in every community including muslims.

Ang masama rito itong mga may konting nabasa o narinig tungkol sa Islam ay akala mo kung sino magaling o maraming alam kung mag salita tungkol sa Islam ang iba ay mag tuturo pa kung ano ang Islam ayun sa kanilang gusto sabihin ngunit itong mga ito ay hindi naman Muslim. Napaka ipokrito.

Alam ko na responsibilidad naming mga Muslim ang mag spread the true teaching of Islam at e correct itong mga media na ito para ang kanilang e portray ay ang true message of the Qur'aan and Teachings of the Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon HIm).

Maraming salamat po.

Eh hinde po ba at ang Al'Qaida mismo ang nag aanounce sa mundo na ang ginagawa nila (Al'Queda) ay turo sa Qur'aan?? Hinde ba at ang mismo mga Mindanao extremists (MNLF ba yun?) na turo din ng Qur'aan ang pag kidnap ng mga "kristyano" at pugutan ng ulo kung hinde sila babayaran ng salapi??

[KillaCrab]

@aga

yung tinutukoy mo ay di lang sala ng mga muslim.. maraming mga tao na ginagamit ang relihiyon kuno para gumawa ng kabaliwan.. nandyan ang mga tulad ni koresh etc... wag nyong i single out ang muslims..

[Raigoki]

@aga

yung tinutukoy mo ay di lang sala ng mga muslim.. maraming mga tao na ginagamit ang relihiyon kuno para gumawa ng kabaliwan.. nandyan ang mga tulad ni koresh etc... wag nyong i single out ang muslims..

Pero para kasing hatemonger yung qu'ran e. lalo na sa mga hudyo.
Warmonger pa pala, yung turo nila for Jihad. "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in the mission of Muhammad" Sa mga Hindus kaya may ganito? Sa kristiyano ba meron? (not sure about the crusades. although may kamukhang verse sya sa bible, "And the Lord sent you on a mission, 'Go utterly destroy the sinners, the A-mal-e-kites and fight against them until they are consumed'"
1 Samuel 15:18 pero parang historical writings na e.)

[Aga Mulat]

@aga

yung tinutukoy mo ay di lang sala ng mga muslim.. maraming mga tao na ginagamit ang relihiyon kuno para gumawa ng kabaliwan.. nandyan ang mga tulad ni koresh etc... wag nyong i single out ang muslims..

Ay oo naman, di naman lahat ng Muslim may paniniwala ng Al Quaeda. Di ko naman nilalahat. Marami din sa Kristyano mga leaders nila pinag t-tripan ang "authority" ng bible and acting on it. Using "the fear of the Lord.." literally kaya kung magturo eh akala mo kay sama-sama ni Lord.

Pero paniniwala ko dahil sa background criminal record ng gumawa ng bideyo eh intention nyang manggulo talaga.

[KillaCrab]

@rai

a lot of christians misinterpret the jihad.. jihad means struggle..
there are three basic struggles with regards to the islamic faith
1. struggle with one's self
2. struggle within the community
3. struggle with the unbelievers in defense of islam..

eh yung media yung 3rd ang ang focus eh.. kasi di mabenta yung 1st and 2nd..

any higher up in a religion can call for warfare against those that do not adhere to their beliefs

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

- Arnold Amaury

as per my signature..

oh wait wait who is Arnaod Amaury aka Arnaul Amalric ?

lemme see... was he a muslim? no
was he a jew? no
he was an abbot of the catholic church who ordered the massacre of a lot of people and since they cannot distiguish between catholics and cathars , he ordered them all killed.. BTW my signature means "kill them all . g*d knows his own"

as i said.. to single out the muslims of this violence is pure hypocrisy since we forget that other religions are capable of doing the same thing or have done the same thing in the past.