Kasalanan bang maging mataba?

[KillaCrab]

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as i have said, we would not discriminate, we would just charge appropriately for what service has been rendered. that is not discrimination. i think my concept was merely proposing equal treatment among them, not pity nor sympathy.

and yes, the idea is quite out of the box.

pity ? sympathy?

out of the box? no, the idea is not out of the box.. people have mulled about this for decades AND IT IS NOT OUT OF THE BOX. (caps for emphasis) . i was a youngling and the have talked about it , during the fuel crisis of the early to late 70's they have thought about it in the barber shops , even in some technocratic circles...

this is like asking blacks or pinoys to give up their seats in a bus. you can always find a logic to do this stuff. economics? ok if this line of reasoning will be applied then what about the following a person with a small frame but very dense body , like my self, i may weight 90 kgs but i look like the 90 lbs nerd on the beach? you need to put scales on the vehicle then? how much would that cost? what about the person with wide hips but light weight? also think of it this way what about the thin persons? should you charge them less? what about kids?

[oversoul1404]

pity ? sympathy?

out of the box? no, the idea is not out of the box.. people have mulled about this for decades AND IT IS NOT OUT OF THE BOX. (caps for emphasis) . i was a youngling and the have talked about it , during the fuel crisis of the early to late 70's they have thought about it in the barber shops , even in some technocratic circles...

this is like asking blacks or pinoys to give up their seats in a bus. you can always find a logic to do this stuff. economics? ok if this line of reasoning will be applied then what about the following a person with a small frame but very dense body , like my self, i may weight 90 kgs but i look like the 90 lbs nerd on the beach? you need to put scales on the vehicle then? how much would that cost? what about the person with wide hips but light weight? also think of it this way what about the thin persons? should you charge them less? what about kids?

yes, i still think it is out of the box since we are yet to see system for human land transport wherein fares are derived from rates, and not the physical count. its is out of the box because of the trail of questions you have about the operational costs entailed, which obviously denotes that there is uncertainty as to whether or not it is feasible, from a financial stand point. but that wasn't the main topic so i won't dwell on that.

asking blacks and pinoys to give up seats on the bus? how so? basing the fares on the mass of the people, of course the bus,jeepney would prescribe a weight limit for the bus, taking into consideration the physique of the average commuter so as to befit the general population, in the first place, that's the main point of this proposal. so that the commuters can get the most out of their fare and not asked to perform weird contortions and acrobatics during the entire trip. how do you think they designed the shoe sizes, shirt sizes, seats of passenger airplanes, dimensions of ceilings, corridors and door heights? they weren't designed out of the blue.

of course, in any business, more often that not, if you are to implement something, hindi yan tutubo sa bato. it has to have an investment cost, which has to be justified first by a feasibility study. but again, this is not the point of the discussion, i only mentioned economics due to the mass vs fare discussion.

[KillaCrab]

yes, i still think it is out of the box since we are yet to see system for human land transport wherein fares are derived from rates, and not the physical count. its is out of the box because of the trail of questions you have about the operational costs entailed, which obviously denotes that there is uncertainty as to whether or not it is feasible, from a financial stand point. but that wasn't the main topic so i won't dwell on that.

asking blacks and pinoys to give up seats on the bus? how so? basing the fares on the mass of the people, of course the bus,jeepney would prescribe a weight limit for the bus, taking into consideration the physique of the average commuter so as to befit the general population, in the first place, that's the main point of this proposal. so that the commuters can get the most out of their fare and not asked to perform weird contortions and acrobatics during the entire trip. how do you think they designed the shoe sizes, shirt sizes, seats of passenger airplanes, dimensions of ceilings, corridors and door heights? they weren't designed out of the blue.

of course, in any business, more often that not, if you are to implement something, hindi yan tutubo sa bato. it has to have an investment cost, which has to be justified first by a feasibility study. but again, this is not the point of the discussion, i only mentioned economics due to the mass vs fare discussion.

are you trying to flatter yourself?

as i said this has been mulled over by many entities a long time ago .. airlines particularly since the 70's fuel crisis have thought about it. in some areas of indonesia they do weigh passengers before they are allowed to board the planes. southwest airlines in the US requires a passenger who cannot occupy a single seat to pay for two. certain boats or ferries also weight their passengers.

now at the risk of sounding like attacking you personally but please do not flatter yourself that the cliche "out of the box" applies to this idea.

now in airplanes i can understand the weight requirement due to fuel consumption and the amount of travel time, with boats i would say it is the safety factor but with land transport? wherein also a lot of fuel is wasted during the idle phase of traffic? also do you realize that airplanes cannot take on passengers in the middle of flight whilst jeeps and other land vehicles can? how many stops does an airplane have and how many stops does our average land transportation vehicle have?

[oversoul1404]

are you trying to flatter yourself?

as i said this has been mulled over by many entities a long time ago .. airlines particularly since the 70's fuel crisis have thought about it. in some areas of indonesia they do weigh passengers before they are allowed to board the planes. southwest airlines in the US requires a passenger who cannot occupy a single seat to pay for two. certain boats or ferries also weight their passengers.

now at the risk of sounding like attacking you personally but please do not flatter yourself that the cliche "out of the box" applies to this idea.

now in airplanes i can understand the weight requirement due to fuel consumption and the amount of travel time, with boats i would say it is the safety factor but with land transport? wherein also a lot of fuel is wasted during the idle phase of traffic? also do you realize that airplanes cannot take on passengers in the middle of flight whilst jeeps and other land vehicles can? how many stops does an airplane have and how many stops does our average land transportation vehicle have?

flattering myself? really? not in the slightest. i take no credit in the conceptualization of the idea, just as the same as i do not take credit for you believing that that i am 'flattering myself' for thinking that this is an out of the box idea - which as been developed long ago by whoever, and hasn't gained mainstream attention and acceptance, possibly because of the resistance offered by people of the past, of the same line of reasoning as you (not to sound as a personal attack).

pardon me if i do not quite understand the context of your second paragraph but as i see it, you mean to say that in the air, planes do not encounter traffic like the their counterparts in land transport? if so, just like land traffic, airplanes also do encounter uncontrollable conditions in the air that adds to their fuel consumption, that is, the wind/weather condition. with stronger opposing wind, it offers more drag to the plane causing the pilots to increase the output of their engines to maintain speed and elevation.

having said the above statement, if that was indeed your point, traffic allowances of course would be taken into consideration of the base rate for computation. and, if i may add, a 40kL V12 diesel engine, 22 wheeler petroleum tanker traveling form southern luzon to ilocos allocates less than 10 liters of fuel for traffic allowance. for a passenger jeepney, imagine how less.

[extrariceate]

I think people tend to make a mistake differentiating an overweight person from a morbidly obese one A person who is 5 pounds or 10 pounds overweight is not automatically unhealthy just like what the other forumers are saying here there are many things to consider than just weight.

To clearly illustrate this example I was searching infos about Roman Gladiators and I found out that some of them ate beans and grains to increase their belly sizes to protect their internals organs. These men were overweight but I bet they are light years away from being unhealthy.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articl...05/1081439.htm

[Diabolique]

Sasali ako sa gulo.

What about discrimination of tall people in Public buses? Sitting sideways because our knees bang against the back of the chairs in front of us? Oh when we ride tricycles, our heads hit the roof everytime we are jolted by a bump? Kasalanan namin we grew taller then the general population of the Philippines?

And KC makes a strong argument, Public Transport in the Philippines is different from say in the US, where Public transport has a predetermined route and timeline, and does not conveniently stop for people who flag it down, and it does not idle at it's bus stops for more than 3minutes, this as I stated is in sharp contrast to Philippine Public Transport, where a Jeepney will stop and idle at a "Kanto" waiting for a passenger walking from the "looban", minsan para pang naglalakad sa buwan, slow-mo... sana mag-ala matrix na umiilag habang naglalakad para maaliw naman ibang pasahero.

Paano mga tao nagbayad ng pamasahe from the initial start of the trip? They are inconvenienced with a wait, and don't get any money back for it?

It's a slippery slope once you start trying to justify something that you think is logical

[oversoul1404]

Sasali ako sa gulo.

What about discrimination of tall people in Public buses? Sitting sideways because our knees bang against the back of the chairs in front of us? Oh when we ride tricycles, our heads hit the roof everytime we are jolted by a bump? Kasalanan namin we grew taller then the general population of the Philippines?

And KC makes a strong argument, Public Transport in the Philippines is different from say in the US, where Public transport has a predetermined route and timeline, and does not conveniently stop for people who flag it down, and it does not idle at it's bus stops for more than 3minutes, this as I stated is in sharp contrast to Philippine Public Transport, where a Jeepney will stop and idle at a "Kanto" waiting for a passenger walking from the "looban", minsan para pang naglalakad sa buwan, slow-mo... sana mag-ala matrix na umiilag habang naglalakad para maaliw naman ibang pasahero.

Paano mga tao nagbayad ng pamasahe from the initial start of the trip? They are inconvenienced with a wait, and don't get any money back for it?

It's a slippery slope once you start trying to justify something that you think is logical

what about the discrimination about the tall? yes, what about it? that inconvenience is attributed only to the poor ergonomic design of the public transport system.

the rates proposed shall be php/km/unit mass. and, the 'full capacity' of the vehicle shall not be based on the physical count but the cumulative mass of the passengers.. taking into consideration the average mass of a regular commuter vs the average butt width. having said this, i don't see the point of the second paragraph.

third paragraph, ditto.

[Diabolique]

what about the discrimination about the tall? yes, what about it? that inconvenience is attributed only to the poor ergonomic design of the public transport system.

Excuse my french but, Poor ergonomic design my ass.
Many of these buses are bought from Japan and reconditioned here, including taking out the seats in order to remeasure them to increase the number of row of seats in which is in an effort to increase the maximum number of passengers that the bus can take on. Are you saying the DOTC has a guideline Public Transport companies follow in order to know how many rows of seats they can put in a bus?

the rates proposed shall be php/km/unit mass. and, the 'full capacity' of the vehicle shall not be based on the physical count but the cumulative mass of the passengers.. taking into consideration the average mass of a regular commuter vs the average butt width. having said this, i don't see the point of the second paragraph.

The purpose of the second part was to introduce another factor that should be taken into consideration; "Time" in favor of the passengers. The current Philippine Public Transport system is geared toward the Driver's whim. It's his/her choice to wait for a passenger who is walking a ways off and therefore will be an inconvenience to his/her current load of passengers with additional "waiting time", the currently seated passengers paid the same, did they not? Should they have to pay as much if there is an additional 4min wait time multiple areas of the route? If Drivers will push through to inconvenience passengers with a need to be weighed, prodded and measured before being allowed the luxury of riding in their Public Transport, shouldn't passengers get better service?

[oversoul1404]

Excuse my french but, Poor ergonomic design my ass.
Many of these buses are bought from Japan and reconditioned here, including taking out the seats in order to remeasure them to increase the number of row of seats in which is in an effort to increase the maximum number of passengers that the bus can take on. Are you saying the DOTC has a guideline Public Transport companies follow in order to know how many rows of seats they can put in a bus?

basing from your reply, it seems you are miles away from the point i am trying to make. I don't know whether or not the DOTC has such system, i bet none, hence, shall the concept be pursued (in fact they should have that now), then the DOTC shall have to impose a proper design and specification not only for the seats of public transport and their including maximum capacities, but as well as other dimensions such as roof heights, etc.

The purpose of the second part was to introduce another factor that should be taken into consideration; "Time" in favor of the passengers. The current Philippine Public Transport system is geared toward the Driver's whim. It's his/her choice to wait for a passenger who is walking a ways off and therefore will be an inconvenience to his/her current load of passengers with additional "waiting time", the currently seated passengers paid the same, did they not? Should they have to pay as much if there is an additional 4min wait time multiple areas of the route? If Drivers will push through to inconvenience passengers with a need to be weighed, prodded and measured before being allowed the luxury of riding in their Public Transport, shouldn't passengers get better service?

yes, what about it? commuters nowadays are already inconvenienced by drivers' whims? i'm not saying that this be implemented now, or in the future. if i may add to the conceptualization, we can have a system wherein every commuter would have an id, with their biometrics stamped on it, therefore, he/she would only have to flash it on for the fare. and, in the future, maybe Filipinos can learn discipline so as to have a designated loading and unloading areas.

[Aga Mulat]

"kasalanan ba ang maging mataba?" Kasalanan kanino?

Sa pagiging kaskasero ng jeepney driver nawalan ng kuntrol at bumangga sa pader sabay hulog sa bangin. May dalawang mataba na pasahero. Bago bumangga at mahulog sa bangin ang jeepney, yung isang mataba ay isinangga ang sarile para hinde mapinsala ang isang batang pasahero. Patay yung mataba buhay yung bata.

Yung isang mataba naman eh sa kagustuhang sagipin ang sarile ay napa hampas siya at napahiga sa isang matanda, patay yung matanda pero buhay yung mataba.

Sino ngayon ang makasalanan at bakit?

[BabeAng14]

Kasalanan ba ng isang tao kung mataba sya?

Yung onsehang jeep kasi kanina ayaw pa umalis ng driver hanggat di kumpleto yung onse. Wala ng gustong sumakay kasi masikip na talaga. Ang tinuturong mastermind yung mamang majuba na halos isat kalahating tao ang katumbas.
Sayang nga naman kasi yung P31 na pamasahe kada isang tao.
Naisip ko tuloy kasalanan ba ng isang taong mataba kung mataba sya?

Applicable ba dito yung gluttony na tinutukoy sa Bible?
Lahat ba ng mataba eh masisiba?

whew .
mataba po ako .
pero hindi naman ugly and fat .
LOL .

anyway .
i pay what is due kung sakayan pag-uusapan .
saka hindi naman siguro kasalanan ng tao kung mataba siya .

sige .
let's say .
in one way or another kasalanan niya dahil siguro wala siyang disiplina sa pagkain .
pero sa ganyang lagay ba eh sasabihin mo nang kasalanan na ng lahat ng matataba kung ano sila ngayon ?

bakit ?

may mga payat noon naging mataba dahil nadepress sila diba ?
o di kaya may eating disorder lang talaga sila .
hindi yun reliable fact kung sasabihin mong kasalanan nga nila .
at hindi lahat ng matataba ay masisiba .
ako nga eh mataba . once or twice lang kumain sa isang araw .

at sa part naman ng driver .
alam kong concern lang siya sa kikitain niya .
pero mawalang-galang lang po .
naging driver din ang mahal kong ama .
pero hindi siya ganoon kainconsiderate .
kung nakita na niya na puno na .
eh di larga nah !
bat ang rami pang arte ?

yan ay sa akin lamang .

[Astro40]

I think hindi naman kasalanan ang pagiging mataba. Hindi lang maiwasan ang criticisms galeng sa iba kasi ang unang tinitingnan agad physically. You can still be sexy in attitude, just think of the song by LMFAO yung title I'm sexy and I know it.

[azumi]

ang kasalanan ay yung hindi pag-honor ng isang tao sa katawan at kalusugan niya.
hindi sinabi ng Diyos kung ano dapat ang waistline mo para maituring na wala kang nagagawang mali sa pangangatawan mo, ang sinabi, ang katawan natin ay bahay ng Holy spirit kaya ingatan at pangalagaan natin ito @ 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

While nothing in the Bible specifically addresses obesity and weight loss, there is much in God’s Word about the importance of taking care of our bodies and our health, as well as commandments against gluttony. In the Old Testament we read of God’s specific warnings and instructions about what His people, the Israelites, were to eat (Deuteronomy 14:1-21). Most of these were commands God gave them in order to keep them from eating harmful foods which would impact their overall health in a negative way. Some of the commands were given so they wouldn’t imitate the diet and habits of the idolatrous people around them.

Gluttony, overeating or drinking to excess, is mentioned in the Bible as being something to avoid (Proverbs 23:20-21). Gluttony can lead to health risks and become a drain on our finances, and the love of food and drink can all too easily become an idol in our lives. Anything that takes the place of God or becomes our number one focus is by definition an idol and thus a sin against God (Exodus 21:3-6). As far as obesity goes, the word “fat” is used in the Bible to describe people who were displeasing to God. Job 15:20-31 describes the wicked man who defies God. His “waist bulges with flesh,” a description of a very fat man, and one that pampers the flesh, and indulges himself in eating and drinking and who, figuratively, is one who abounds in the good things of this world. Jeremiah reiterates this same idea, that “wicked men” whose “houses are full of deceit; they have become rich and powerful and have grown fat and sleek” (Jeremiah 5:27-28). Clearly, obesity is not a sign of blessing or favor with God. In fact, two men characterized by their obesity—King Eglon of Moab and Eli the priest—died traumatic deaths (Judges 3:17-22; 1 Samuel 4:18). Proverbs 23:2 exhorts us to “put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony,” an admonition to restrain our appetites.

Since alam natin na madaming sakit ang madudulot ng pagiging mataba dahil sa katakawan at kawalan ng ehersisyo, hahayaan pa din ba natin mangyari na maging mataba tayo?
Yung mga mataba na resulta ng sakit nila hindi naman dapat ma-guilty kasi ang tinutukoy na kasalanan ay yung lifestyle na naging dahilan ng pag-taba.

yung pag-inom ng alak at paninigarilyo, hindi din sinabi na bawal sa Bible pero kung babalikan natin yung verse na nasabi ko na dapat igalang at alagaan natin ang katawan natin, marerealize natin na when we take in something harmful for our body and health, then we are not really living up to what the Book of Life says.

ang hirap kaya sundin yan kasi ang sarap kumain ng taba ng adobo paminsan minsan
meron yung time na sunod sunod yung sakit ko, after ng trangkaso, skin ko naman nag suffer tas nagkakasakit na nga, tingin ko sa katawan ko lalo pang tumataba sabe ko sa kapatid kong nurse, mga senyales ata na tumatanda na ako (feeling ko senior citizen na ko eh )... sagot naman niya, "senyales yan na inaabuso mo katawan mo. kaya ka nagkakasakit para ipa-alam sayo ng kalusugan mo na pinabayaan mo na siya."

[west]

nope. that's the reward you get for all the awesome foods you ate!

[tosh8701]

naranasan ko din yan sa blu cab dito sa bacoor. animan ang sakay dapat sa isang hilera ng upuan 4 na kami ako yung tatlo puro matataba ako lang hindi ako nasa malapit sa pintuan ng cab pinapausog na lang ako para makasakay yung sasakay eh di ako makausog kasi masikip na, hehe! puro pawis na ako kasi di din ako makakilos naiipit yung balikat ko sa katabi ko! hehe. ang ginawa ng isa binayaran na lang nya bali 3 buti mambog lang sya P10 lang bayad so P30 lahat. hirap din pala maging mataba nuh? wawa naman sya.