PILA-pinas...

[menandro]

may araw na halos nauubos oras ko sa kakapila..

sa lahat ng bagay kelangan pipila ka..from..pagsakay sa jip..
ticket sa MRT..at kahit pag baba sa exit ng mrt-ayala..pila pa din..
nakakairita na halos 2-3 hrs ng usang araw ko nasa pilahan ako..
may solusyon ba tau dito..kahit na may good points eto as sign of discipline for all filipinos pero pag masyado na syang time-consuming medyo hindi naman na tama siguro ito..

nakakainis lang talaga pag ARAW-ARAW na lang TAYO PUMIPILA...

[ukmac1986]

simple lang ang sulusyon brader..agahan mo ang gising, mag laan ka ng time allowance sa pag byahe para hind hasle..

ganun din naman kung kukuha ka ng birth certificate, nbi clearance..agahan mo ang gising para mauna ka sa pila..

[samuraiX]

merong pila kahit saan sa mundo, difference is they found a way to make it shorter, like pila sa LRT meron na sila card na you just swipe at the terminal entrance like in hong kong for example, also their bus system, another example, has a fix schedule when it will arrive and leave hence making the wait shorter

also about the service the govt can give to their ppl, hong kong has this system which they call performance pledge like this one Hongkong Post - Performance Pledges it outlines how the govt give their service and the time it takes to complete it so the citizens will know when to complain because it took them longer to complete their pledge and they have this pledge in all their govt offices

[ukmac1986]

kuta kutakot kasi ang populasyon natin kahit saan tayo magpunta lagi tayong may kasabay.

as i remember meron din naman sa atin na parang swipe system sa metro stations, like yung stored value card na niloloadan lang [ewan ko kung meron pa nun ngayon]. o kaya para hindi ka pumila sa bilihan ng ticket, bumili ka ng stored value card na mismo .sa taguig global city yung bus sa bus stop lang tumitigil at may oras din ang pag alis at pag dating..kaso sa sobrang dami ng tao na gusto sumakay, naiipon at naiipon padin at hindi maiwasan magkapila lalo na pag na delay ng konti ang bus/ train..

madami nadin developments ang pagkuha ng documents sa atin, nagtatayo na ng mga branches sa mga malls yung mga ahensya ng gobyerno, appointment system nadin ang pagkuha ng passport sa DFA, at marami pang iba..

[dodindaga]

we are talking about giving services to a very condensed population.

i believe they've done better with government offices because of the integration of the computer and internet services

but how can you render transportation services to 12million people in metro manila with only 4 or 5 rail systems?

[samuraiX]

we are talking about giving services to a very condensed population.

i believe they've done better with government offices because of the integration of the computer and internet services

but how can you render transportation services to 12million people in metro manila with only 4 or 5 rail systems?

yes our govt offices has integrated internet and computer, but your only talking about manila, outside manila, for example in cebu, in dfa getting a passport, the regional office needs to send it to manila and it takes maybe a 1-2months before you get your passport, and to top it off, we cant really demand this offices when and accurately say we will receive our transaction because they did not set the accurate number if days they can complete it, so we keep calling or going back to their offices to make follow up which in turn take time on our part

also in hong kong, their railway system carries about 4M passengers every weekdays, the 12M you mention, do all of them take the LRT?


now if we are talking about a dense population in one area, talk about hong kong, singapore, south korea to name a few, thats already the whole country, but they manage it quite well, if im not mistaken cebu is larger than singapore but look how efficient their govt and compared that to the LGU of cebu who has i think lesser pop that the whole country of singapore which i will say again much smaller than cebu(open to be corrected)

[holydevil]

masyado na kasing concentrated ang developments at economy ng Pinas sa Metro Manila area kaya nagkakaroon ng over crowding sa mga bagay bagay.mabuti at kahit paano meron disiplina sa pilahan.ang mabuting solusyon dito ay kung magagawang ikalat sa labas ng Maynila at sa mga probinsiya ang trabaho,gov't agencies,etc.para hindi maconcentrate sa Maynila at magkaroon ng ekonomiya ang mga taga probinsiya.

[oversoul1404]

dito sa probinsyang kinalalagyan ko ngayon, nakita ko na ata ang pinakamabilis na processing ng government office sa lahat ng lugar na napuntahan ko.

when it comes to permits and licenses, within a day, matatapos mo lahat, so kung may business ka, it's very helpful.

tapos yung passport, pipila ka lang for about an hour or so, tapos ipprocess na nila within the day yung documents mo (medyo mahigpit nga lang), and then the usual waiting time. wala nang settting ng appointment. no wonder yung mga taga manila, pumupunta dito para ayusin yung mga governmental docs nila.

[dodindaga]

yes our govt offices has integrated internet and computer, but your only talking about manila, outside manila, for example in cebu, in dfa getting a passport, the regional office needs to send it to manila and it takes maybe a 1-2months before you get your passport, and to top it off, we cant really demand this offices when and accurately say we will receive our transaction because they did not set the accurate number if days they can complete it, so we keep calling or going back to their offices to make follow up which in turn take time on our part

makes no difference here in the states.. i had to wait a while since my passport was sent back there to manila.. it's irresponsibility to blame them i think for waiting a while for a renewal of passport, after all it's something to be anticipated since the passport has an expiry date...

also in hong kong, their railway system carries about 4M passengers every weekdays, the 12M you mention, do all of them take the LRT?

your point is?
i've tried to take the MRT once from the Quad to Cubao.. the tram was so filled, three trams later, we decide to take a taxi instead.. so out of the 12 million, im not surprised most would not take this transport

now if we are talking about a dense population in one area, talk about hong kong, singapore, south korea to name a few, thats already the whole country, but they manage it quite well, if im not mistaken cebu is larger than singapore but look how efficient their govt and compared that to the LGU of cebu who has i think lesser pop that the whole country of singapore which i will say again much smaller than cebu(open to be corrected)

where the majority of commuters goes North-South on a single transit line, you will have a backflow of passengers waiting to get on board.

my question is, in hong kong, singapore, south korea, how much coverage do their rail system cover?
of the countries you've mentioned, i've only been to south korea, and their rail system is pretty massive

[ControlG]

most probably manila is congested beyond the city's ideal capacity. manila has complex road system, but the problem is the volume of traffic that passes through this roads everyday, and again its beyond the roads capacity. manila is manila..its not comparable to any other city..

[oversoul1404]

manila is manila..its not comparable to any other city..

this statement makes me happy and sad at the same time. /

though i have to agree that manila is already congested beyond the ideal capacity. perception kasi ng pinoy, nasa manila ang magandang buhay, as portrayed by the old movies.

[samuraiX]

makes no difference here in the states.. i had to wait a while since my passport was sent back there to manila.. it's irresponsibility to blame them i think for waiting a while for a renewal of passport, after all it's something to be anticipated since the passport has an expiry date...



your point is?
i've tried to take the MRT once from the Quad to Cubao.. the tram was so filled, three trams later, we decide to take a taxi instead.. so out of the 12 million, im not surprised most would not take this transport




where the majority of commuters goes North-South on a single transit line, you will have a backflow of passengers waiting to get on board.

my question is, in hong kong, singapore, south korea, how much coverage do their rail system cover?
of the countries you've mentioned, i've only been to south korea, and their rail system is pretty massive

- they still send your passport to manila, thats crap, thats why like i said, our givt should have a "performance pledge" in their pledge they could say you can get your passport after 3 days, then it should be given to you after 3days, if it goes beyond, you now have basis to report to the ombudsman to repremand them for not performing their pledge

- my point is hong kong averages about 4M passengers every weekdays but ive tried their MTR and theirs not much waiting, i was using the octopus card so i just swipe the card and the waiting ive done was when the train would arrive, that was about 2-3mins lang, in rush hour, if they can do it, why not in pinas?

Hong Kong


Singapore

[ControlG]

in my opinion, people are flocking to manila because of the career opportunities that it offers.. e.g. kung mandurukot ka di ba mas malaki opportunity mo sa manila kesa nasa probinsya?

[dodindaga]

- they still send your passport to manila, thats crap, thats why like i said, our givt should have a "performance pledge" in their pledge they could say you can get your passport after 3 days, then it should be given to you after 3days, if it goes beyond, you now have basis to report to the ombudsman to repremand them for not performing their pledge

- my point is hong kong averages about 4M passengers every weekdays but ive tried their MTR and theirs not much waiting, i was using the octopus card so i just swipe the card and the waiting ive done was when the train would arrive, that was about 2-3mins lang, in rush hour, if they can do it, why not in pinas?

Hong Kong


Singapore

3 days is amazing .. here in america it takes about 2weeks to a month to renew a US passport.

About the maps, exactly my point, look how much surface area is covered. And rail systems comes as a circuit. Their rail systems are composed of 12 routes. Theirs is meant to serve the 4M passengers.. philippine rail transit cannot accomodate 12million residents.. and not just pasengers... Consider 12million residents taking round trips. Thats 24million passengers daily. It wouldnt matter what passes you have. It simply cannot be accomodated

[samuraiX]

3 days is amazing .. here in america it takes about 2weeks to a month to renew a US passport.

About the maps, exactly my point, look how much surface area is covered. And rail systems comes as a circuit. Their rail systems are composed of 12 routes. Theirs is meant to serve the 4M passengers.. philippine rail transit cannot accomodate 12million residents.. and not just pasengers... Consider 12million residents taking round trips. Thats 24million passengers daily. It wouldnt matter what passes you have. It simply cannot be accomodated

3days was just an example, my point there was they should do it in the number of that they promise to complete it

their railway system may cover the entire country but theres no back log, entire country means more ppl going place, while in manila limited lang area so dapat they could manage it, trip would be shorter, it would take lesser time to go from one station and back