11-04-2009, 08:47 PM
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Reagrding Hospitality help din guys
Regarding dyan yung family ng bayaw ko na nasalanta ng Ondoy ay more than one month na sa amin. 3 sila na nagiistay samin pero napakaliit lang bahay namin. Wala na kaming privacy halos, di man lang sila nagbibigay ng pera for the resources they are consuming. Tumaas ang kuryente at tubig namin actually. Yung mother kasi ng bayaw ko walang gustong kumuha sa kanya dahil mismong mga anak at nya ayaw sya kunin. Kinalimutan na nila reposnibilities nila sa magulang nila at kami tuloy napeperwisyo. Sabi ko kay erpat na dapat ay kausapin na nya yung mga kapatid ng bayaw ko para naman makaalis na sila. For god's sake more than a month na sila dito kulang pa ba ito guys? Tama na bang paaalisin sila?? Thanks sa mga magrereply
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11-05-2009, 01:10 AM
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Matamis Hanggang Dulo
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hindi masamang tumulong pero kung ibinigay mo na ang mga kamay mo, pati braso mo at uong katawan mo hinihila pa. hindi na siguro tama yan. ang mabuti pa siguro ipakausap mo sa asawa ng bayaw mo... sino ba ang kamaganak mo at pano mo sya naging bayaw? un dapat ang magsabi, yung kapamilya mo na may koneksyon sa kanya.
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11-05-2009, 07:40 AM
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Kulang ata ito bago ako mag reply. Kelangan malaman more information. Ano ba ang kasunduan? May source ba sila ng income (may tarbaho pa ba)?
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11-05-2009, 09:11 AM
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in the first place you should have a talk with them like give them a deadline. does he have a job?
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11-05-2009, 10:48 AM
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tama lang na sabihan sila na kung puwede ay sa iba naman makituloy. ang tanong lang naman, SAAN. parang wala naman gustong mag welcome sila, ayon sa statement mo.
at may feeling ako na ayaw din nilang umalis dyan sa inyo.
dapat magkaroon ng seryosong sangguniang bayan kayong mga magkakamag-anakan diyan (your families and the anaks na ayaw silang kunin). kailangan maihanap sila ng espasyo sa mundo, either paghahatian ninyo ang mga gastusin nila, or maipagpatayo ng maliit na kuwarto sa kung saan pupuwedeng itayo, o tawagan ang social services para magpatulong (konting aksaya at perwisyo lang sa inyo sa oras at konting baryang pamasahe at pantawag para makapagtanong)
sa itaas kay bro, panalo kayo dahil gumawa kayo ng maganda sa kapwa ninyo, pero sa mata ng mapanghusgang mga tao at lipunan, talo kayo at MASAMA kayo dahil gusto nyong palayasin ang kamag anak nyo.
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11-05-2009, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by extrariceate
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Regarding dyan yung family ng bayaw ko na nasalanta ng Ondoy ay more than one month na sa amin. 3 sila na nagiistay samin pero napakaliit lang bahay namin. Wala na kaming privacy halos, di man lang sila nagbibigay ng pera for the resources they are consuming. Tumaas ang kuryente at tubig namin actually. Yung mother kasi ng bayaw ko walang gustong kumuha sa kanya dahil mismong mga anak at nya ayaw sya kunin. Kinalimutan na nila reposnibilities nila sa magulang nila at kami tuloy napeperwisyo. Sabi ko kay erpat na dapat ay kausapin na nya yung mga kapatid ng bayaw ko para naman makaalis na sila. For god's sake more than a month na sila dito kulang pa ba ito guys? Tama na bang paaalisin sila?? Thanks sa mga magrereply
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Ano po ba ang arrangement in the first place? Diyan muna sila pansamanta-gal?
Syempre ang goal unang-una ay makahanap sila ng trabaho kung nais nilang makapagsarili at para makarenta na.
Extrariceate, you already did your job at praiseworthy na po ang ginawa ninyo. Pero it's about time na po siguro para makapagsarili sila..or at least eh mabigyan ng linaw ang lahat ng arrangements.
Tsaka isa pa, ano po ang response nila mismo? Ginagawa rin po ba nila ang parte nila? That is, naghahanap ng trabaho at nagiging transparent sa kanilang sitwasyon?
Layout some facts pa po sana...  Keep us updated.
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11-05-2009, 04:36 PM
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Ok lang yung tulungan mo sila pero kung habang tumatagal eh parang "umaasa" na lang sila sa inyo lalo pa na walang job eh iba na yun. Kung tinulungan na wag naman sana aabuso.
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11-05-2009, 06:41 PM
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Thanks sa lahat ng nagrereply  . Yung bayaw ko may work naman pero hindi nagbibigay ng pera, yung mom nya alam ko sa real estate pero since nasalanta sila di siya pumapasok. Yung father naman ng bayaw ko ang source of income ay nasa Bicol, pero andun sya sa Provident Marikina at patuloy pa rin naglilinis nung bahay nila. Ang problema kasi yung ibang mga kapatid ng bayaw ko ayaw sila kunin dahil kesyo magiging pabigat din sa kanila (gusto ko na talagang magmura habang tinatype ko ito) Tsaka medyo masama kasi ugali ng mom ng bayaw ko kaya ayaw sila kunin kahit ibang mga kamaganak nila.
Pero sana naman guys iset aside naman nila yung mga away nila, kasi kahit ganun naman ay magkakapamilya naman sila di ba??
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11-05-2009, 06:57 PM
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Matamis Hanggang Dulo
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magparinig ka kaya. or iparamdam mo na talagang perwisyo na sila dyan. yung tipong pag nandyan sya sabihin mo "ang sikip naman" o kaya pag may news habang nanonood ka.. "ano ba yan mga palamunin". hehe sama ng ugali ko noh. pero kasi pag nakakainis na at sobra na talagang di k makakapag pigil.
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11-05-2009, 11:04 PM
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Hmmmm...family matters always complicated ano.
extra, ikaw ba ay isa'ng major contributor sa bahay ninyo? I mean, nagbibigay ka rin ba sa father mo ng pang rent or pang gastos sa pang araw-araw na needs ninyo?
Kaya ko naitanong eh dahil kung oo then yes, in fairness your opinion should be considered by your father. But if you do not contribute with the expenses of your household then your opinion is just that but it is your father who decides and his decision must be respected and obeyed kahit ano pa man klase ang pagkatao ng mga refugees ninyo.
Don't focus on other people who are selfish and greedy. Don't be like them. Ika nga, everything has a purpose a reason. One thing I can see with you and your dad is that the victims are there in your humble abode because you are giving to others.
Forget their family. You don't owe them anything and they don't owe you anything so don't expect anything from them.
So what stands as of this moment is your father's decision. You may ask your father about future plans but that's all for now. I'm sure your father already knows and feel what burdens you. Try to see things through your father's eyes to gain more wisdom and udnerstanding and compassion to the needy.
Di natin alam baka may pinagusapan/pinagkasunduan sila ng hinde mo nalalaman. Be cautious and be cool about it for now.
Nayon, kung kombinsido ka na ginagagago ang tatay mo at deadma ang tatay mo diyan, then magmeeting kayo ng tatay mo at ipaalam mo sa kanya ang iyong nakikita kasi what you think is not necessarily what things seem to be.
Gets? good luck.
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11-06-2009, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Aga Mulat
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Hmmmm...family matters always complicated ano.
extra, ikaw ba ay isa'ng major contributor sa bahay ninyo? I mean, nagbibigay ka rin ba sa father mo ng pang rent or pang gastos sa pang araw-araw na needs ninyo?
Kaya ko naitanong eh dahil kung oo then yes, in fairness your opinion should be considered by your father. But if you do not contribute with the expenses of your household then your opinion is just that but it is your father who decides and his decision must be respected and obeyed kahit ano pa man klase ang pagkatao ng mga refugees ninyo.
Don't focus on other people who are selfish and greedy. Don't be like them. Ika nga, everything has a purpose a reason. One thing I can see with you and your dad is that the victims are there in your humble abode because you are giving to others.
Forget their family. You don't owe them anything and they don't owe you anything so don't expect anything from them.
So what stands as of this moment is your father's decision. You may ask your father about future plans but that's all for now. I'm sure your father already knows and feel what burdens you. Try to see things through your father's eyes to gain more wisdom and udnerstanding and compassion to the needy.
Di natin alam baka may pinagusapan/pinagkasunduan sila ng hinde mo nalalaman. Be cautious and be cool about it for now.
Nayon, kung kombinsido ka na ginagagago ang tatay mo at deadma ang tatay mo diyan, then magmeeting kayo ng tatay mo at ipaalam mo sa kanya ang iyong nakikita kasi what you think is not necessarily what things seem to be.
Gets? good luck.
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Thanks kuya aga sa reply. Actually I am already a graduating student from college. Yung opinyon ko naman po kasi ay in favor naman din sa parents ko dahil gusto ko rin silang huwag nang mahirapang magisip at gumastos ng mas malaki. Actually yung tatay ko naman medyo gusto na rin sila paalisin pero hindi niya kaya sabihin in a nice way na hindi maooffend yung mga nakatira sa amin. Madalas namin actually pinaguusapan ( behind their backs feeling ko sama namin hehehe) kung what nga planu namin if kakausaoin na sila or let them stay a little longer.
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11-06-2009, 10:55 PM
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Ah oo kahit anung nice way mo sila daanan sa santung pakiusap, ma-ooffend at ma ooffend sila lalu na kung tunay na makitid ang isipan at makasarile sila sa buhay or mala take advantage ng kabutihan ng iba.
But you have (your parents more likely) to deal with it. The most prominent fact is IT IS YOUR HOUSE. If you as a son follow house rules then your "guests" should too and with the utmost respect.
Noong nakatira ako sa kuya ko and his family feeling ko na porke nagbibigay ako ng $250.00 for boarding and food eh may say na ako sa household nila. May kaibigan ako'ng Mexicano na pinagbubuhusan ng mga sama ng loob ko sa pamamalakad ni kuya sa bahay niya. Iisa at iisa lamang na paulit-ulit ang payo ng friend ko, "Dats yor Bbrother's house man, and you can't do anything about it, you can't say anything about it. If you're not happy then you are free to leave."
Nayong may sarile na ako'ng pamamahay, totoo nga, bahay ko ito at ang aking pamamalakad ang masusunod kahit na hinde gets ng parents ko at siblings ang ideas ko and they can't do anything about it but to take it or leave it. I work to earn money to pay for this condominium so bakit ako papa alila sa bisita que kapamilya or matalik na kaibigan. Basta't welcome sila at silbihina ko sila ng inumin at kakanin ok na yun.
In your case, your parents must take the courage to walk up to them and give them two options that's all there is.
Option one: Kung ok lang mag stay pa then they must put up money to pay for the added cost while they are living there. Fair and square! Wala silang dahilan upang hinde magbigay at kung wala silang ibibigay then kusa na dapat silang umalis.
Option two: If they are not willing to help (walang hiya naman na kung ganon) then they must be told to leave.
Let me tell you a secret, yang mga tao'ng makikitid ang pagiisip, kahit anung ganda na ng offer mo ng tulong, kahit binuksan mo na ang pintuan mo at pinatuloy sila, in the end ba-bad mouth ka parin sa madla at palalabasin na mga kuripot kayo, mga madadamot kahit na naipatira mo na sila ano after the pinsala.
So kung ang lumabas ay option 2 then might as well KICK THEIR ASSES OUT OF YOUR HUMBLE BUT PEACEFUL CASTLE!!!!
Here's an example for your dad: "Bro, lamo hinde kami nag dalawang isip ng pamilya ko'ng kupkupin kayo sa aming maliit na tahanan. Tunay ang pangangailangan ninyo kaya't binuksan namin kusa ang aming pintuan. Ngayon di natin maipagkakaila na nagtaasan ang aming gastusin dito dahil sa pagtira ninyo. Ok parin kayo tumira dito hangga't makahanap kayo ng malilipatan. Nguni't samantala, makikiusap sana ako sayo na abutan ako ng pambayad ng gastusing nadagdag sa pagtitira ninyo dito. Yun lang ang hinihiling ko yung saktong amount na nadagdag, pumatong sa aming normal na gastusin sa bahay, sa pagkain, tubig at koryente."
O yan sample lang yan, a guide for you to come up with something to present to your parents and hopes that it will give them the courage.
Dito ako hanga sa mga Kano eh. kapag may similar na pangangailangan ang close relatives/family or friends, maaring patirahin pansamantala. Pero expected ng both parties na temporary lamang ito at di na tinatanong ang pagaabot ng pang contribution. Kusa ito'ng gagawin ng nangangailangan. it's called being responsible and empathetic.
"You did this for me to help me out, here is my share for your generosity." Ganyan dito, walang dedma-dedma gaya diyan, kakainis talga. Palagi nalamang ang nasasabit ay yung may kagandahang loob. Matapos makatulong sila parin ang masama. Kulit!!
It's not an easy task to deal with closed-minded people but you as the homeowner must put your foot forward and protect your rights.
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11-06-2009, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Aga Mulat
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Ah oo kahit anung nice way mo sila daanan sa santung pakiusap, ma-ooffend at ma ooffend sila lalu na kung tunay na makitid ang isipan at makasarile sila sa buhay or mala take advantage ng kabutihan ng iba.
But you have (your parents more likely) to deal with it. The most prominent fact is IT IS YOUR HOUSE. If you as a son follow house rules then your "guests" should too and with the utmost respect.
Noong nakatira ako sa kuya ko and his family feeling ko na porke nagbibigay ako ng $250.00 for boarding and food eh may say na ako sa household nila. May kaibigan ako'ng Mexicano na pinagbubuhusan ng mga sama ng loob ko sa pamamalakad ni kuya sa bahay niya. Iisa at iisa lamang na paulit-ulit ang payo ng friend ko, "Dats yor Bbrother's house man, and you can't do anything about it, you can't say anything about it. If you're not happy then you are free to leave."
Nayong may sarile na ako'ng pamamahay, totoo nga, bahay ko ito at ang aking pamamalakad ang masusunod kahit na hinde gets ng parents ko at siblings ang ideas ko and they can't do anything about it but to take it or leave it. I work to earn money to pay for this condominium so bakit ako papa alila sa bisita que kapamilya or matalik na kaibigan. Basta't welcome sila at silbihina ko sila ng inumin at kakanin ok na yun.
In your case, your parents must take the courage to walk up to them and give them two options that's all there is.
Option one: Kung ok lang mag stay pa then they must put up money to pay for the added cost while they are living there. Fair and square! Wala silang dahilan upang hinde magbigay at kung wala silang ibibigay then kusa na dapat silang umalis.
Option two: If they are not willing to help (walang hiya naman na kung ganon) then they must be told to leave.
Let me tell you a secret, yang mga tao'ng makikitid ang pagiisip, kahit anung ganda na ng offer mo ng tulong, kahit binuksan mo na ang pintuan mo at pinatuloy sila, in the end ba-bad mouth ka parin sa madla at palalabasin na mga kuripot kayo, mga madadamot kahit na naipatira mo na sila ano after the pinsala.
So kung ang lumabas ay option 2 then might as well KICK THEIR ASSES OUT OF YOUR HUMBLE BUT PEACEFUL CASTLE!!!!
Here's an example for your dad: "Bro, lamo hinde kami nag dalawang isip ng pamilya ko'ng kupkupin kayo sa aming maliit na tahanan. Tunay ang pangangailangan ninyo kaya't binuksan namin kusa ang aming pintuan. Ngayon di natin maipagkakaila na nagtaasan ang aming gastusin dito dahil sa pagtira ninyo. Ok parin kayo tumira dito hangga't makahanap kayo ng malilipatan. Nguni't samantala, makikiusap sana ako sayo na abutan ako ng pambayad ng gastusing nadagdag sa pagtitira ninyo dito. Yun lang ang hinihiling ko yung saktong amount na nadagdag, pumatong sa aming normal na gastusin sa bahay, sa pagkain, tubig at koryente."
O yan sample lang yan, a guide for you to come up with something to present to your parents and hopes that it will give them the courage.
Dito ako hanga sa mga Kano eh. kapag may similar na pangangailangan ang close relatives/family or friends, maaring patirahin pansamantala. Pero expected ng both parties na temporary lamang ito at di na tinatanong ang pagaabot ng pang contribution. Kusa ito'ng gagawin ng nangangailangan. it's called being responsible and empathetic.
"You did this for me to help me out, here is my share for your generosity." Ganyan dito, walang dedma-dedma gaya diyan, kakainis talga. Palagi nalamang ang nasasabit ay yung may kagandahang loob. Matapos makatulong sila parin ang masama. Kulit!!
It's not an easy task to deal with closed-minded people but you as the homeowner must put your foot forward and protect your rights.
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Thanks ng napakarami sa advice kuya aga 
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11-10-2009, 08:28 AM
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teka parents ng bayaw mo di ba? kaninong bahay yan ? sa father mo or sa bayaw mo na asawa ni ate mo?
kung sa provident pala sila dati nakatira aba may kaya?
kung hinde naman sa bayaw mo yang bahay eh at hinde pa tumutulong sa gastos ang bayaw mo aba eh isang tahasang pananamantala na yan
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11-10-2009, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kwin
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teka parents ng bayaw mo di ba? kaninong bahay yan ? sa father mo or sa bayaw mo na asawa ni ate mo?
kung sa provident pala sila dati nakatira aba may kaya?
kung hinde naman sa bayaw mo yang bahay eh at hinde pa tumutulong sa gastos ang bayaw mo aba eh isang tahasang pananamantala na yan
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Sa aming bahay bale sa father ko nga po ate kwin hehehe
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