Originally Posted by irvin2030
i dont agree.. gary payton is way way better than steve nash in both ends of the floor but he doesnt win an MVP plum why? because competition back then was stiffer.. while i concede that skill wise kobe surpassed jordan its very good to imagine how jordan will be when NOW is his prime or his prime was extended up to now.. of course his skills WILL be better than what it used to be.. i mean makakasabay sya syempre.. you know jordan, first in his years he was an all-penetration-less-jumper player.. but due to the defense thrown at him he developed his jumper and his above average jumpshooting became superb an improvement faster than you think.. and when do kobe developed his jumpshooting? in his mid career right?
In both ends? Nah. Steve Nash is a better shooter, a better playmaker, a better off ball, better dribbler, better at traffic, better scorer (more efficient). Payton never shot 50% on the field. The only thing Payton is better at Nash is at the low post and on the defensive end. That's the thing with Jordan, there were no LBJ, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Dwayne Wade, etc. at his time, in short, no taller, better athletes(I used athlete, not player) that will defend him.
Originally Posted by KillaCrab
this is a tougher era of basketball... DON'T make ME LAUGH
this is a soft time for basketball... no hand check rule, touch fouls egad...
the eighties was one tough era wherein meanness was king .. teams like the bad boys, slow down beat me up cavs, grind up celtics... jordan has been clothesline and hit hard by the bad boys countless of times and only a measly foul was called.. now you do that to another player you will get a suspension
No handcheck? "shaking my head"
That's the biggest myth in basketball today. If there are no handchecks, guys like Nash, Lebron, Durant, Duncan, Howard, Wade, etc. would average 20ft's a game. Soft time of Basketball? Maybe this would end things up.
Blue: Isolation era+Handchecking
Red: Zone era+Handchecking (Best defensive era in NBA history)
Green: Zone Era without handchecking
Conclusion: Free throw attempts per game and fouls per game have decreased substantially from the 80s and 90s.
What do the players think?
Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady
KICKS: If you guys could change one rule in the League, what would it be?
Kevin Garnett: No zone.
Tim Duncan : Yeah, the zone.
Kevin Garnett: If there was one rule I could change today, it would be the zone.
KICKS: Because it didn’t do what they thought it would do?
Kevin Garnett: I think it puts players that are really good at a disadvantage, so to speak. Everybody here gets double-teams, if not triple-teams, so we can all speak on this. But it sorta—I remember Phoenix sat somebody literally right there [in the lane].
Tracy McGrady: It makes it hard for a guy like me—
Kevin Garnett: —who penetrates.
Tim Duncan: It makes it hard for all of us.
Tracy McGrady: It’s tough on all of us, it really is. When you’re tryin’ to make a move, and you got another guy sittin’ right there on the same side just waitin’…
Kevin Garnett: Waitin’ on you!
Tracy McGrady: Just waitin’.
Kevin Garnett: He ain’t even playin’ his man!
Tracy McGrady: Nah, not at all.
Link: SLAM ONLINE | Ľ KICKS 6: The Power of 3
2001, P.J Brown:
"I don't think it's good at all. Zones will bring the games to a grind," Charlotte forward P.J. Brown said.
2001, Shaquille O'neal:
"Stinks," the Los Angeles star said. "I have a lot to say, but not now.
2001, Colangelo, on why the rule change was proposed:
"Our belief is that the game has evolved, and the product we have presently was one that needed attention," Colangelo said "The game has changed in the sense that we've lost a lot of fluidity. We've evolved into an isolation game because of our defensive guidelines, and we weren't satisfied with the way the game looked."
Link: CNNSI.com - NBA Basketball - NBA owners approve rules changes - Sunday April 15, 2001 06:03 PM
The physicality of the game will be there always, okay, let's say it's less now. But more players will deal with the physicality rather than double/triple/quadruple team that they'd face with the zone. I mean, You haven't have touch the ball and the opponent can double team you immediately.